Episode 79: To Sub or Not to Sub


This week we talk about the controversial decision ZOS made by annoucing ESO’s business model will be subscription based only, and other noteable headlines. Also, your emails, our Mod Challenge of the Week and Lou presents: Witch Hunters in his lore segment, The Elder Scroll.

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Episode 79: To Sub or Not to Sub

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10 Responses to “Episode 79: To Sub or Not to Sub” Subscribe

  1. Aaronitis August 23, 2013 at 12:05 am #

    I was completely against this pay model before this pod-cast. But now I’m on the fence. I still think that doing a pay model like Guild Wars 2 is the best way to go.

  2. Jon August 23, 2013 at 3:23 am #
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    Yet I agree I agree completely with Joe, sub is the way to go. I think paying for individual content that differs from player to player is pandering and cheapens the game. If one person spending more money than another differs there experience or gives one any advantage at all then the experience is blown. The only difference between characters should be skill, time spent in game, and time management for what time you get to spend in game. But that’s just me.

  3. Mitchel Radspinner August 23, 2013 at 5:10 pm #

    shank was one the most respectful and analytically trying to be the most valid and from an outsiders perspective did an amazing job, long time listener keep up the great work.

  4. Siergen August 23, 2013 at 7:49 pm #

    Although some games have been profitable as F2P, most seem to be suffering. If it’s worth the subscription cost, P2P seems to be a better revenue model. If it’s not worth the subscription fee, it probably isn’t worth the cash shop either, so the company is still going to lose money.

  5. Jason August 23, 2013 at 9:58 pm #

    No mention of Cryptic and the model for their games? Star Trek Online is F2P all the way through. All content is available to a free player, no content pay wall. Even their latest expansion was free. You can sub for a month and keep the gold perks after letting the sub die. Neverwinter, same deal, except no sub option. STO’s development team has doubled in size since going F2P and their still hiring. There is no reason for a gaming company to not go F2P in this day and age.

    I can afford the $15 a month, but Rift was my last P2P game

    As far as P2W. P2W is when a company offers gear in the cash shop that gives a player a significant advantage over another player in PvP. P2W does not exist in PvE, as theirs nothing to “win.” Offering cosmetic items in a cash shop is not P2W.

    • Viktor November 22, 2013 at 7:41 am #

      Agree , look at Guild wars 2 business model more ppl spending money on their item shop than their whole game cost :D we see how far they will go with this kind of “deal”

  6. Atrayu August 24, 2013 at 3:22 am #

    This game will be free to play with a year of release. I’m amazed that ppl don’t see what they are doing here. You cant blame them really…. strike while the irons hot. get what you can…when you can, bla bla bla. this game is following the SWOTOR model almost to a tee. …I just hope they learn from the mistakes that Bioware made in reguards to end game. the truth of this model will not be known until 60-90 days in. ENDGAME makes or breaks MMO’s ..

  7. Dolenz August 24, 2013 at 10:19 am #

    I am happy that the game is starting out as P2P and I have no problem with that. I agree with Atrayu that they need to strike while the iron is hot and get the subscriptions. It is a steady stream of income that they can rely on for continued staffing and budgeting.

    Personally I hope they never go completely free to play and instead adopt the hybrid system.

  8. Victoria August 29, 2013 at 10:30 am #

    I agree that subscription mode is much better than so-called “free-toplay” – as you at least know exactly how much you pay and can decide if the game is worth it. ANd for game development studio it’s a chance to eb sure they can spend time in developing more games thinking about design, gameplay, etc, not budget.

  9. Jay August 29, 2013 at 6:03 pm #

    In regards to Shank’s comment about “paying for a month, but not being able to pay” How is it any different than a Gym membership? I pay $45 per month for my gym, and due to RL circumstances, could only go twice. Same thing.

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